1236: Audrey Faust: You’re Good at Making Money. But Are You Managing It?

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Today with Audrey Faust:

You can be very good at making money and still avoid looking at what happens to it once it comes into your business.

That’s the tension at the center of LuAnn’s conversation with returning guest Audrey Faust, MBA, The Manifesting CFO. Audrey works with multi-six and seven-figure women business owners who may be generating significant revenue while still struggling to understand their profitability, pay themselves appropriately, or feel confident making financial decisions.

And sometimes, the problem isn’t simply knowing which report to pull.

Audrey explains how our beliefs and experiences around money can influence the way we price, spend, save, grow, and even how willing we are to look at our own financial information. She shares the story of one interior designer who had been in business for 20 years and was approaching seven figures in revenue, yet was barely making a profit and barely paying herself. Her belief? She should know this by now.

But how would she know if no one ever taught her?

LuAnn and Audrey explore the connection between money mindset and financial management, why more sales may not solve a profitability problem, and what changes when you stop avoiding your numbers and start using them to make informed business decisions.

They also discuss Audrey’s Manifest, Manage and Multiply Money approach, why an underlying money story can feel like having one foot on the gas and one foot on the brake, and why understanding your numbers is not about judgment. It is about having the information you need to lead your company.

Because running a profitable business is a skill set. And like every other skill you’ve developed as a designer or window treatment professional, it can be learned.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

  • Why strong revenue does not necessarily mean you have a profitable business

  • The difference between earning money for the work you perform and being rewarded for owning the company

  • How money beliefs can influence pricing, growth and financial decisions

  • Why avoiding your financial reports does not change what is happening in the business

  • How understanding your numbers can help you make better decisions about pricing, clients, hiring and growth

  • Audrey’s free monthly Where Is All My Money Going? event for business owners ready to become more comfortable with their P&L

More about Audrey Faust

Audrey Faust, MBA is The Manifesting CFO, a CFO strategist who works with financially phobic women business owners at the multi six and seven figure level. Her clients consistently grow their profit between 20-100%, but the transformation they talk about most is finally feeling safe enough to look at their numbers and having the confidence and clarity to lead like the CEO of their business. She is a 2x Amazon bestselling author and host of the Manifest, Manage and Multiply Money podcast.

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THE CEO MONEY REWIRE

YOU ARE SAFE WITH YOUR NUMBERS

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1235: BEST OF: Sponsored Show: Dezign Assist: The Smartest Way to Buy Back Time in Your Interior Design Firm

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Today with Reed Humphrey of Dezign Assist

Is your team maxed out, or are you stuck doing $10-an-hour tasks when you should be focused on leading your business?

In today’s sponsored episode, I’m talking with Reed Humphrey, CEO of Alder & Tweed Interior Design and founder of Dezign Assist, a remote staffing company built specifically for interior designers.

Reed created Dezign Assist after solving a bottleneck in his own firm. When his team couldn’t keep up with project demands, he built a scalable system using experienced remote designers. The result? More capacity, less burnout, and happier clients.

If you’re a larger firm looking to support your in-house team or a solo designer ready to stop doing it all yourself, this episode will challenge how you think about delegation and show you how to buy back your time without sacrificing quality.

Register here for the “The Profitable Project: Budgeting & Pricing for Design + Construction” panel in High Point on Saturday, October 17th [11:00] AM

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Other Resources Mentioned:

This podcast supports the Savvy Giving Design Coalition. Learn more about it here!

AWDB #717 Susan Wintersteen: Interior design firm standards in a nonprofit passion project

AWDB #164: Susan Wintersteen- Savvy Giving by Design

 

Other Shows Mentioned:

AWDB #194 Reed Humphrey Alder and Tweed

1234: Melanie Zaelich: Your SEO Is Working. But Is Search Changing?

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Today with Melanie Zaelich:

You invested in your website. You took SEO seriously. You may even have professionals managing your SEO and Google PPC, and people regularly tell you, “I found you online.”

That’s good. Keep doing it.

But the way potential clients search is changing, and strong SEO is no longer the whole conversation.

In this episode of A Well-Designed Business, LuAnn Nigara sits down with interior designer, branding strategist, and SEO educator Melanie Zaelich to unpack SEO, AEO, GEO, and what AI-driven search means for interior designers and other established business owners.

Melanie explains why SEO remains the essential foundation, while Answer Engine Optimization and Generative Engine Optimization add new considerations for how your website communicates your expertise. It is no longer enough to think only about whether Google can find your website and understand what services you offer. As consumers increasingly use AI to ask questions, solve problems, and find businesses, your online content also needs to answer the questions they are asking and demonstrate what your company genuinely knows.

Melanie and LuAnn discuss how customer search behavior is changing, why asking ChatGPT about your own company is not the same as testing whether a potential client can discover you, and how years of experience, proprietary processes, frequently asked questions, and professional judgment can become valuable online content.

They also explore the connection between AI search and intellectual property, including why businesses should clearly identify and establish the processes, systems, and expertise they want to be known for.

The baseline for being found online is evolving.

If you were the business owner who understood early that having a website wasn’t enough, and later understood that investing in SEO mattered, this episode asks an important question: Are you still paying attention to what comes next?

More About Melanie Zaelich:
Melanie Zaelich is an award-winning interior designer, branding strategist, and SEO educator with more than 30 years of experience in advertising, branding, and marketing. From big agencies to her own interior design business. She is the founder of Happy Place Interiors, The Designer’s Blueprint, and Modern Search Studio, and creator of the Modern Search Factors Framework. After using SEO to grow her own interior design business, Melanie began teaching creative entrepreneurs how to become more visible, credible, and relevant online. Today, she is especially passionate about the rapidly changing world of AI and helping business owners understand how tools like ChatGPT are interpreting, recommending, and talking about their brands. In addition to continuing to scale her interior design firm, she is also focused on teaching AI visibility, SEO, digital reputation, and helping business owners proactively protect their brand, messaging, and intellectual property as search moves into the AI era.

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Happy Place Interiors Website

The Designer’s Blueprint Website

Modern Search Studio Website

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Other Shows Mentioned:
Episode 1039Melanie Zaelich: Consultation-Only Interior Design: How to Set Boundaries and Avoid Scope Creep

1233: Chana-Rivka Thierman & Faigy Chaskelson: How to Make Industry Events Worth Your Time

Today with Chana-Rivka Thierman & Faigy Chaskelson:

Are you attending industry events by wandering the expo floor, visiting the same vendors you already know, collecting business cards, and hoping something valuable comes from the day? There’s a more intentional way to do it.

Today, I’m joined by commercial interior designer Faigy Chaskelson and architect Chana-Rivka Thierman to talk about how they use industry events to build relationships, discover resources, meet peers, and connect with professionals outside their immediate circles. And Faigy truly practices what she preaches. Years ago, she drove more than an hour each way to attend a Window Works Lunch and Learn because she wanted to meet me. That introduction grew into a relationship, and ultimately Faigy was the person who suggested I speak at the Design X Architecture Summit, DXAS. That relationship is also part of the reason the three of us are having this conversation today.

We talk about going into an event with a plan, being selective about whom you want to meet, approaching conversations with genuine curiosity, and following up afterward so a promising introduction has the opportunity to become a real relationship. We also talk about why your relationships with other designers, architects, vendors, builders, and industry professionals can become an important resource for your business.

And, of course, we talk about DXAS, happening December 1st at American Dream in East Rutherford, New Jersey. I attended last year, I’ll be speaking this year, and I genuinely enjoyed the environment they created for learning, sourcing, and actually spending time with people.

If you’re investing a day away from your business to attend a conference, market, or trade show, this conversation will help you make that day count.

The first 100 A Well-Designed Business listeners can attend DXAS for $24.99 with code LUANN26.

More about Chana-Rivka Thierman & Faigy Chaskelson

CHANA-RIVKA THIERMAN

Founder & CEO, THIERMAN Design & Consulting

Chana-Rivka Thierman is a French-registered architect and founder of THIERMAN Design & Consulting, an interior design studio based in the USA. She has international experience across France, Russia, and the United States, with a career spanning architecture, design, workplace strategy, BIM, and construction.

In France, she worked within Bouygues, one of the country’s largest construction groups, including on the construction of the Paris Courthouse designed by Renzo Piano Building Workshop. Working within a large-scale construction environment shaped her understanding of how design connects to execution, coordination, decision-making, and the broader business of building.

Today, she brings that cross-disciplinary perspective to her own design practice and to her involvement in helping shape the programming for DXAS 2026, bringing together perspectives across design, architecture, development, construction, technology, and industry.

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Faigy Chaskelson is an entrepreneur, commercial interior designer, and co-founder of The Artify Group, where she leads business development and builds strategic relationships across the design and architecture community.

She is also the founder and CEO of Styles Design Interiors, a commercial interior design and procurement firm serving senior living, healthcare, multifamily, and public-sector projects.

With experience on both the design and business-development sides of the industry, Faigy has built her career around connecting people, resources, and opportunities. She believes some of the strongest business growth happens when professionals stop simply networking and start intentionally building relationships that create value for everyone at the table.

Connect with Chana-Rivka Thierman & Faigy Chaskelson:

DXAS 2026 – Register here!

Chana’s Website

Faigy’s Website

Chana’s Instagram 

Faigy’s Intagram 

Chana’s LinkedIn

Faigy’s LinkedIn

Aha Moments with Chana-Rivka Thierman & Faigy Chaskelson:

“I can guarantee that seventy-five percent of the people feel the way you feel. Even if you’re in the room with people that you know in the industry, most of the people are afraid… you just have to go over and say hi.” -Faigy

“Imagine you’re at the event and you’re standing by yourself and someone walks up and says, Hi, I’m Luann. Are you a designer too? Do you think any person is gonna be like, How dare you walk up to me at a networking event and say hello to me?” -LuAnn

“You need to be smart also because you won’t be able to meet everyone. So you really also need to be selective at the beginning and then things can happen.” -Chana

“You should come with a plan. Who do you want to meet? How many of those type of people you want to meet? Because you know there’s architects… vendors, if you need a specific source, most likely there’s going to be a person in that room for you.” -Faigy

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Episode 1097: NEW SHOW: Margalit Lankry: Designers with Intention. A Community with a Collaborative, Abundance Mindset

1232: What Would Lu Do: AI Gave You the Right Answer, but You Asked the Wrong Question

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Today With LuAnn Nigara:

AI can hallucinate. It can give you information that is flat-out wrong. But what happens when AI gives you a really good answer?

In this What Would Lu Do episode, LuAnn Nigara explores a more subtle risk of using AI in your interior design business: getting an accurate, intelligent, well-researched answer to a question that wasn’t the right question to begin with.

Through examples from her own work with AI, including a lesson involving designer Megan Moulton, a real Chairman of the Board client evaluating a significant marketing investment, and an AI-generated answer about interior design profitability, LuAnn shows where experience and business judgment still matter.

You’ll hear why more information isn’t the same as more experience, how AI can move from observation to diagnosis without enough evidence, and why a mathematically attractive ROI doesn’t necessarily make an investment a smart business decision.

LuAnn also explains what to do when you don’t yet have the experience to recognize what you’re missing, including when it makes sense to borrow the expertise of someone who does.

AI can research, organize, compare, analyze, and help you move faster. But somebody still has to sit in the CEO chair.

That somebody is you.

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Book 3: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts Volume 2⁠⁠


Other Shows Mentioned

Episode 455: Megan Molten: Another Side Hustle Success Story

Episode 677: Megan Molten: To Succeed, Focus on Your Why

Episode 1230: What Would Lu Do?: Are You Disqualifying Leads Too Soon?

1231: CEO Conversations with Kate O’Hara: Closing the Client Experience Gap

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Today with Kate O’Hara:

Today with Kate O’Hara, we’re digging into something every designer feels but doesn’t always name: the client experience gap. Kate spent years running a luxury design firm, which means she’s had a front-row seat to what actually keeps high-end clients coming back, and what quietly sends them somewhere else next time. In this conversation, we’re talking about the space between the experience you think you’re delivering and the one your client is actually having.

We’re discussing how expectations get set (or don’t), what happens when you assume you know what a client means instead of asking, and why the most generous thing you do in month one can become the very thing that costs you a client down the road. Kate also shares a couple of real stories from her own firm, including one dream project that didn’t end the way anyone hoped. If you’ve ever wondered why gorgeous design doesn’t always translate into repeat business and referrals, this episode is going to give you a lot to think about.

LuAnn and Kate’s Aha Moments:

“As great as your design is, as award-winning and nationally published as it might be, what actually runs your business is the experience that you deliver.” — Kate O’Hara

“Anything that you do early for your client is, to the client, that’s normal. That is now your services. And the second you tell them that wasn’t part of our services, you’re not granting them anything special, you’re taking something away.” — Kate O’Hara

“It’s what we say, whether it’s in personal relationships or business relationships — we teach people how to treat us. We teach them by the things we say and we do, and the things we allow and the things we don’t allow, how they’re gonna treat us.” — LuAnn Nigara

More About Kate O’Hara:

Kate O’Hara is the founder of Lake House Group, an advisory practice that helps founder-led and second-generation businesses navigate growth, operational blind spots, and transitions. She previously served as the second-generation CEO and Creative Director of O’Hara Interiors before intentionally closing the prominent design firm to focus on advisory work and co-owning the Design Influencers Conference. [⁠1⁠,⁠ 2⁠,⁠ 3⁠]

Connect with Kate O’Hara:

⁠O’Hara Interiors Website⁠

⁠O’Hara Interiors Instagram⁠

⁠Lake House Group Website ⁠

⁠Design Influencers Conference Website⁠

⁠Design Influencers Instagram⁠

⁠Fay + Belle Website⁠

⁠Fay + Belle Instagram⁠

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⁠⁠Boardroom for Creatives⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch the Docuseries!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.luannnigara.com/cob⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Book 1: ⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠

Audiobook: ⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠

Book 2: ⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts⁠⁠

Book 3: ⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts Volume 2⁠⁠

Connect with LuAnn Nigara:

LuAnn’s ⁠⁠Website⁠⁠

LuAnn’s ⁠⁠Blog⁠⁠

⁠⁠Power Talk Friday⁠⁠

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Other Shows Mentioned:

⁠Episode 1030⁠⁠: Ceo Conversations with Kate O’Hara: Insights and Strategies on Successful Scaling

⁠⁠Episode 1042⁠⁠: Ceo Conversations with Kate O’Hara: End-of-Year Business Strategies for Designers: Pipeline, Productivity, and Press

⁠⁠Episode 1148: ⁠⁠Ceo Conversations with Kate O’Hara: A Framework for Understanding Luxury Interior Design Clients

⁠⁠Episode 1157⁠⁠: Ceo Conversations with Kate O’Hara: Marketing to the Three Tiers of Luxury Clients and How to Attract Each One⁠⁠

Episode 1188⁠⁠: Ceo Conversations with Kate O’Hara: Scaling Your Design Firm Part 1: The Three Paths Forward⁠⁠

Episode 1202: ⁠⁠Ceo Conversations with Kate O’Hara:Is Your Next Idea a Revenue Driver or a PR Play? Part 2

Episode 1219: CEO Conversations with Kate O’Hara: Stop Defending Your Pricing to Your Clients

Episode 986: Power Talk Friday: Sandra Funk: Boundaries and Expectations are a Few of My Favorite Things

1230: What Would Lu Do?: Are You Disqualifying Leads Too Soon?

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Today With LuAnn Nigara:

Qualifying leads is good business. But the qualification strategy that makes sense when your interior design firm is booked several months out may not make sense when your pipeline has room or your sales skills still need strengthening.

In this What Would Lu Do episode, LuAnn challenges you to look at whether your qualification process reflects the business you actually have today. Because there is an important difference between knowing a prospect isn’t right for your firm and assuming they aren’t based on limited information.

Using lessons from more than 40 years of selling at Window Works, LuAnn explains why “not qualified in” is not the same as “qualified out,” and why an imperfect answer on an inquiry form may deserve another question before you make the decision.

You’ll also hear LuAnn’s distinction between sales practice and sales scrimmages. You can practice your questions, explain your services, and rehearse saying your fees. But a live prospect doesn’t know your script. That’s where you learn to listen, respond in real time, explain your value, talk about money, and confidently recognize when the answer really is no.

LuAnn also shares a practical 90-day assignment to help strengthen your discovery-call skills and asks one important question to consider the next time you’re tempted to immediately disqualify an inquiry:

Do I actually know that yet?

Connect with LuAnn Nigara:

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Purchase LuAnn’s Books Here:

Book 1: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Audiobook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Book 2: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Book 3: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts Volume 2⁠


Other Shows Mentioned

#316 WTFP What Would Lu Do?: How to Qualify Leads Without Disqualifying Your Future Revenue

Episode 1229: MBA: The Discovery Call: Listen, Learn, Then Lead

1229: MBA: The Discovery Call: Listen, Learn, Then Lead

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Today With LuAnn Nigara:

You already have questions you ask on a discovery call. But do you know what you’re actually trying to learn from the answers?

In this MBA episode of A Well-Designed Business, LuAnn Nigara goes into the archives to pull together sales lessons from Matt Cobb, Leah Neaderthal, Tracee Murphy, and Nikki Rausch. Together, their advice reveals a more strategic way for interior designers to think about the discovery call.

A great discovery call isn’t simply a get-to-know-you conversation or a checklist of questions about scope, budget, and timeline. It’s an opportunity to learn how a prospective client makes decisions, what they truly value, what problem they are trying to solve, and what their answers are telling you about how to lead the sales conversation.

LuAnn breaks down how to ask questions with intention, listen beyond the surface answer, capture the client’s own words, and use what you learn to make stronger recommendations. She also explains why listening matters all the way through the sale, including recognizing when a client is ready to move forward and when a prospect may not be the right fit.

The goal isn’t to convince every prospect to hire you. It’s to understand the person in front of you well enough to determine whether there is a win-win and, when there is, confidently lead them toward the right next step.

Listen. Learn. Then lead.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Why every discovery question should have a purpose.

  • How to listen for what a prospective client means, not only what they say.

  • How to identify the “nuggets” that reveal what the client truly values.

  • How to use the client’s own words when presenting your design recommendations.

  • How to recognize buying signals without selling past the close.

  • Why the information you gather should determine what you do next in the sales process.

Connect with LuAnn Nigara:

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⁠RSVP to the 10th Birthday Party for A Well-Designed Business Podcast in HPMKT⁠

⁠⁠Boardroom for Creatives⁠⁠

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Purchase LuAnn’s Books Here:

Book 1: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Audiobook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Book 2: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Book 3: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts Volume 2


Other Shows Mentioned

Episode 318: What Would Lu Do?: Exactly What to Ask on a Discovery Call: Sales Questions That Actually Work

Episode 769: Power Talk Friday: Leah Neaderthal: Sales Techniques for Introverts

Episode 1081: Tracee Murphy: The Psychology of Luxury Sales in Interior Design

Episode 508: Power Talk Friday: Nikki Rausch: The Sales Maven

1228: Kelly Finley: From Bigger to Better

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Today with Kelly Finley:

Kelly Finley built the firm you’re told to want. Nine people. Two offices, one in California and one in Georgia. Major projects, press, a team that could run circles without her in the room. From the outside, she’d made it.

Then her husband’s job moved the family to Georgia, and the model that got her there started costing her more than it gave back. The distance between offices. The team changes that came with distance. The quality control that got harder to hold onto from three time zones away. Kelly had to sit with a question a lot of designers avoid asking once they’ve already built something big: is this actually what I want, or is it just what I built?

Her answer wasn’t dramatic. It was a decision, made in stages, to bring the firm back down to a lean, senior team, and to know her numbers well enough to trust the decision. She talks about what it costs to keep a firm open every month, why she used AI to reshape a six figure role instead of hiring someone new to do the same job the same old way

She also talks about Joy Street Initiative, the nonprofit she runs alongside her design firm, renovating spaces in women’s and children’s shelters with the same care she’d bring to a client’s living room. This year marks 15 years in business, and she’s launching a campaign called 15 Spaces to raise $150,000 for that work. To learn more about that go to joystreetinitiative.com

This is a conversation about what happens when you’ve already proven you can build the big version, and you decide better matters more than bigger. Listen in and hear how she’s doing it.

More About Kelly Finley:

Kelly Finley is the founder of Joy Street Design, a nationally-acclaimed interior design firm, and Joy Street Initiative, a nonprofit transforming spaces for women and children in crisis. She also co-hosts Hustle Adjacent, a podcast about designing the life you actually want to live. Known for bold color, joyful spaces, and an unapologetic approach to living well, Kelly doesn’t just design beautiful rooms. She’s proof that you can build a life of purpose, success, and pleasure without compromise.

Connect with Kelly Finley:

Website

Joy Street Initiative

Instagram 

Facebook 

Pinterest

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RSVP to the 10th Birthday Party for A Well-Designed Business Podcast in HPMKT

⁠Boardroom for Creatives⁠

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Purchase LuAnn’s Books Here:

Book 1: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Audiobook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Making of A Well – Designed Business: Turn Inspiration into Action⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Book 2: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Book 3: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Well-Designed Business – The Power Talk Friday Experts Volume 2

Other Shows Mentioned:

Episode 1144: BEST OF: Marianna Zimmerman: It’s Never Too Late to Design Your Life

Episode 1203: Madelaine Mayer: The Interior Designer Who Spent 20 Years as an Architect Before Choosing Joy

1227: BEST OF: Michele Williams: Re-Visiting Michele Williams’ Tips for Time Management

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Today on the show I have yet another fabulous business coach who specializes in our industry! Michele Williams is with me! Michele is the founder of Scarlet Thread and Consulting in Atlanta, Georgia. Today we will learn about Michele’s background which includes the financial software industry as well as a business in soft window treatment fabricator. She also has a BS in business administration, a diploma in Christian life coaching and she is one of the few certified profit first coaches in the United States. Michele was also the communication director and editor in chief of the Drapery and Designs Professional Magazine from 2009 to 2012. She is a member of The Design Collective in Atlanta, the Designers Work Club Council and the Window Covering Association of America. After talking to Michele I realized that there are so many things I could talk with her about but after we talk about her background a little bit we are going to pull apart work scheduling and chunking our day to have more productivity.

Show Notes:

  • What is her background in the financial software industry?
  • When did she decide to start her window treatment business?
  • Did she start with a business plan?
  • How did she start to make her business bigger?
  • What is the Design Collective in Atlanta?
  • What is a round table discussion and how is it helpful?
  • How is the Window Coverings Association helpful to Michele and her business?
  • What are some of things that you can expect Michele to talk about the expo IWCE in Charlotte?
  • Why is it important to listen to different people say the same things?
  • Why is important to be able to chunk your time for productivity?
  • Is it better to be proactive or reactive?
  • How should you plan your calendar?

Resources:

Website: Scarlet Thread Consulting

Facebook: Scarlet Thread Consulting

Instagram: Scarlet Thread

LinkedIn: Michele Williams

Twitter: Michele Williams 

Financial Health Checklist PDF: Scarlet Thread Consulting

Previous shows mentioned:

 #104 Kate the Socialite 

#94 Debi Pinelli (A& J Interiors) 

#69, 

#93 Stacey Brown Randall 

#128 Grace McNamara

 #125,

 #317 Nicole Heymer 

#141 Jim Riviello

Links:

WCAA

IWCE Vision

Window Fashion Vision

Connect with LuAnn Nigara:

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